Fwd: Re: A heated discussion on 'Race, Gender & the Blues'

[Joel Fritz]

Then there are recordings by the Mississippi Sheiks, the Dallas String
Band, Andrew and Jim Baxter, Peg Leg Howell and Eddie Anthony, and Gus
Cannon that had obvious elements in common with the white music of the
period between 1890 and 1930.

I think that people playing rural music in the south at that time didn't
have the idea that they were representatives of a "Culture."  They were
trying to entertain people.  That's not to say that there weren't
differences in performance practice.  There was plenty of overlap too.

Fritz Bros Tunes:  http://www.youtube.com/user/thefritzbrothers?feature=watch


On 5/29/2012 2:54 PM, Steve Ahola wrote:
> Harri:
>
> If you go back to the 20's and 30's country and blues artists often
> played the same songs and I believe that they did influence each other a
> lot. When we get to the 40's and 50's there was less of a mutual
> influence as country became C&W and blues became R&B.  (But it was said
> that when Earl Hooker was touring in the south he would show up at C&W
> clubs and blow their socks off with his playing.)
>
> Steve Ahola
>
> On 5/29/2012 2:23 PM, Harri Haka wrote:
>> I had the priviilige of meeting Willie "Big Eyes" Smith two months
>> before he died. We talked about white singers with a black voice e.g.
>> Tom Jones. And Charley Pride and Ray Charles doing c&w. I doubt that
>> blues musicians were actually influenced by c&w and  all of us can hear
>> this on recordings and live shows. To be a smart ass, one might say that
>> every musician is influenced by Beethoven. But Chuck Berry gave his
>> answer to that question.
>> Harri
>>
>>
>> 29.5.2012 6:09, Tom Hyslop kirjoitti:
>>> Harri,
>>>
>>>  Respectfully submitted, your position as stated is simply incorrect.
>>>
>>>  Every bluesman of a certain age that I have interviewed - including
>>> Magic Slim, Phillip Walker, Big Jack Johnson, John Primer, and many
>>> others - professed a deep and abiding love for country music. Whether
>>> it was an innate feeling for the style or the fact that it was all
>>> they heard on the radio, as has been mentioned, does not much matter.
>>> Howlin' Wolf cited the yodeling of The Singing Brakeman, Jimmie
>>> Rodgers, as the inspiration for his own vocalizations. Mel Brown
>>> toured with Tompall Glaser, just as he did with Bobby Bland; Glaser is
>>> a country artist. You can look it up. Or you can continue to believe
>>> what you want, rather than to face facts.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> tom
>>>
>>> At 3:34 AM +0300 5/29/12, Harri Haka wrote:
>>>> Like I was saying, there was not a general interest for country music
>>>> among the wider black audience. It is of course natural for a talent
>>>> like B.B. King to have studied all genres including country and jazz.
>>>> But does any of this reflect on his actual playing or singing? He has
>>>> flirted with U2, Eric Clapton and others in the past years but I
>>>> hardly
>>>> find a c&w influence on any of his recordings. Mississippi John
>>>> Hurt is
>>>> greatly respected but he was a folk singer and story teller with a
>>>> natural connection to country music of his time.
>>>> Harri
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 29.5.2012 2:35, jinxblues@aol.com kirjoitti:
>>>>>
>>>>>     Not wanting to take part in the c&w discussion more than to say
>>>>> that
>>>>>     there was never a general interest in country music within the
>>>>> black
>>>>>     community.
>>>>>
>>>>>     ------------
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     This is absolutely not true.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     Blues people growing up in the south in the 1930s and 1940s all
>>>>> listened to WLAC (Nashville) with its powerful signal.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     B.B.King told me in great detail how he had listen to Gene Autry
>>>>> and Red Foley and Jimmy Rogers.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     Mississippi John Hurt's "Let the Mermaids Flirt with me" is
>>>>> unmistakably Jimmy Rogers'"All Around the Water Tank" a/k/a "Waiting
>>>>> for a Train."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dick Waterman
>>>>> 1601 Buchanan Avenue
>>>>> Oxford, MS 38655
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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